Acceptable Criticism (20 posts)

  • Profile picture of Tola Odejayi Tola Odejayi (@TolaO) said 4 months ago ago:

    Following on the heels of all the topics on criticism inspired by @Sueddie, I’d like to post a small survey for you all to respond to.

    Which of the following comments is acceptable criticism of a work that you’ve published?

    1. “I would have liked this work better if you had made certain changes.”

    2. “This work is lacking quality.”

    3. “This work is not good.”

    4. “This work is bad.”

    5. “The writer of this work needs to improve.”

    6. “The writer of this work is a terrible writer.”

    7. “The writer of this work is an idiot for wasting my time on this story.”

  • Profile picture of Da Writing Engineer Da Writing Engineer (@banky) said 4 months ago ago:

    @TolaO, I still believe every critic has his/her own way of expressing him/herself. Acceptable Criticism ke? I don’t believe there is anything of such jare. After all, to paraphrase Shakespeare, there is nothing acceptable or not acceptable, thinking makes it so. In light of the foregoing, therefore, Tola, ANY of the above would be acceptable depending on the writer and the piece concerned.My opinion…

  • Profile picture of Tola Odejayi Tola Odejayi (@TolaO) said 4 months ago ago:

    @Banky

    I agree – all of the above might be acceptable criticism.

    And then again, all of the above might NOT be acceptable criticism.

    As you’ve said, it depends on the receiver of the criticism.

    That’s why I’m doing a survey – to find out what is acceptable for EACH person.

    So what if the receiver of the criticism is YOU?

    (I am assuming, of course, that you have produced a work that you are extremely proud of.)

  • Profile picture of Da Writing Engineer Da Writing Engineer (@banky) said 4 months ago ago:

    @TolaO, now I understand you more. A survey? Ok o. See, personally, I rarely let negativereviews affect me the same way I don’t take positive ones to head. I am probabaly my work’s number one critic and I am never nice to myself. Why would I wanna be? I have written trash even on NS and I’m honestly amused when people begin to drool over it. And other times, I’ve written some stuff I consider excellent and someone would just pop outta nowhere and fish out errors. I love such people and instantly befriend them. @scopeman, @jeffunaegbu and you are some of those examples. I love criticisms and go the extra distance to see beyond every criticism be it positive or negative. @kaycee said he critiques based on mood, who am I to begrudge him his opinion? To me, every writer should and must embrace criticisms, you can only benefit from it. @ikhide finished Prof Akachi Adimora-Ezeigbo’s Roses and Bullets; yet, Jeff Unaegbu was drooling over the same work like a group of ants on a cube of sugar! See? And these two have my deep respect. So what would the prof do? Tackle Ikhide and thank Unaegbu? No! She must accept both and move on, chikena! To me, every criticism is acceptable for NO CRITIC can discourage me with his/her words; rather, I’ll sieve through the review, take the aspects I agree with and move on. Simple.

  • Profile picture of Sueddie Agema Sueddie Agema (@sueddie) said 4 months ago ago:

    hee hee hee, hmm, @banky, I no wan laugh…You know ba, sometimes what you think is rubbish really might be something great…like how what you think is excellent might have some question marks as you said. I like the use of contrasts that you have brought there. Balanced and interesting.
    @TolaO, hmm, me o, I think I like Number 7: ‘Why has this idiot wasted my time on this piece’ – not story! Wetin do poetry…I am a poetic advocate o! I am pushing for the Poets to be heard plenty and given a voice!! ;) Kidding…
    Seriously, I wouldn’t mind any of the following and only because I have heard worse, far worse.
    In advising usage though, I would advise the first option because it shows respect for the creative effort of the writer as well as shows that one is not claiming over-sabi or beefing…

  • Profile picture of kaycee kaycee (@kaycee) said 4 months ago ago:

    @TolaO, all of the listed forms of criticism is acceptable, depending on the level of mediocrity exhibited by the writer. I can always tell when a writer genuinely tried their best. I can also tell when a writer just thoughtlessly writes some rubbish.
    Now I would criticise these persons differently.
    There are mistakes by ignorance and errors caused by a person not knowing any better. And there are mistakes by carelessness or just plain arrogance. So my own criticism depends on what i feel about the work and the writer.
    I can use @lactoo as an example, most critics on NS woudnt cut him any slack. If you read what he writes you would know why. Such writers, you don’t want to teach, you only wanna put them down from where they think they are.

    But a good writer would know the kind of critiques to regard. I know the few people I can listen to on NS.

  • Profile picture of kaycee kaycee (@kaycee) said 4 months ago ago:

    @TolaO, all of the listed forms of criticism is acceptable, depending on the level of mediocrity exhibited by the writer. I can always tell when a writer genuinely tried their best. I can also tell when a writer just thoughtlessly writes some rubbish.
    Now I would criticise these persons differently.
    There are mistakes by ignorance and errors caused by a person not knowing any better. And there are mistakes by carelessness or just plain arrogance. So my own criticism depends on what i feel about the work and the writer.
    I can use @lactoo as an example, most critics on NS woudnt cut him any slack. If you read what he writes you would know why. Such writers, you don’t want to teach, you only wanna put them down from where they think they are.

    But a good writer would know the kind of critiques to regard. I know the few people I can listen to on NS.

  • Profile picture of kaycee kaycee (@kaycee) said 4 months ago ago:

    But what does a critique entail? What form of criticism is a critique allowed to make. I really want to know.
    I can correct someone’s grammer and typos and (there’s a name they call it in English) structure? You know, the ones that deal with spellings and sentencing etc. But correcting content is a bit trickier. I don’t know if critics are supposed to argue with a writer on his choice of story line and thoughts etc. I can say a work is not convincing, depending on what the writer tried to do. If the work was intended to be funny and isn’t I could say so. If it was a serious work of fiction and starts exhibiting sci-fi or fantasy acts, I could point it out too.
    But what really should be corrected or criticized in fiction?

  • Profile picture of Jefsaraurmax Jefsaraurmax (@jefsaraurmax) said 4 months ago ago:

    Tola,I would pick 1 and 5 but I would expect some details explaining it.English is not my first language,so any comment on my spelling,grammar,sentence structure etc.. is always welcome.I also welcome any comment on the plot if it needs improvement.Overall I don’t mind anything that could help me progress because this is what I am looking for.If somebody tells me I’m terrible but doesn’t explain why,it will not help me.Writing is part of me,so I will not stop,no matter what any critic says.I don’t believe in telling somebody they suck just like I don’t believe in telling somebody they’re fat. In my opinion,if one is not willing to help someone,then they shouldn’t say anything.Hurting someone’s feeling doesn’t accomplish anything.I know Emmanuella and Kaycee will not agree with me.It is true that it’s harsh out there and we need to have a thick skin but if you think reading someone’s piece was a waste of your time, maybe you can waste another minute telling the person how to improve.At least something good might come out of it.

  • Profile picture of Afronuts Afronuts (@Afronuts) said 4 months ago ago:

    @kaycee makes a valid point in his first post on what makes everything acceptable – that it is relative. Then also I think every writer should be responsible to him/herself over what is written and posted. They also have to be sure about what they’ve written b4 putting it up in a place where critics are ready to rip it apart.

    Until I’ve personally critiqued my own work, I don’t put it out, until I’m sure its good enough I don’t put it up. But when I do, I guess #1,#2 and #5 is what works by me.

  • Profile picture of Seun-Odukoya Seun-Odukoya (@Seun-Odukoya) said 4 months ago ago:

    I think everything works…depending on what the critic is talking about. I mean, I would like for you to be as specific as possible whenever you’re critiquing – else your criticism is pointless.

  • Profile picture of kaycee kaycee (@kaycee) said 4 months ago ago:

    @jef, am I that harsh? Guess I have to chill, Really, what’s the point to all these? may be I will even stop correcting.

  • Profile picture of kaycee kaycee (@kaycee) said 4 months ago ago:

    Being with like minds and improving one’s self is the goal of NS.
    I don’t think harsh criticism helps either way.

  • Profile picture of Jefsaraurmax Jefsaraurmax (@jefsaraurmax) said 4 months ago ago:

    Kaycee,don’t stop correcting.I look at criticsm as I do it with my kids.What is my purpose for criticising them?I do want them to be better and not make the same mistake twice.I want them to grow and learn.I see NS as a family.I have never met so many people who actually like writing like I do.Not all of us will be Soyinka material but if we are here, it’s because we like the craft.And of course we like to be with people like us.I love to read and I wish I had more time to read all the very eclectic stories and poems and plays (I don’t forget you Jay)on NS.The talent here is amazing.Some of us may need help along the way but isn’t it what any group is all about?Helping the ones who need it.Kaycee,please continue criticising.Just give details for the writer to grow. I know it helps me.

  • Profile picture of gooseberry gooseberry (@gooseberry) said 4 months ago ago:

    @kaycee, I believe what ever is likely to be criticised in short story or memoir should also be criticised in fiction. To me, fiction is imaginative realism. It must be as believable as possible using fake characters and situations that never happened in real life.

    On the other hand, if the story derails from being believable, it can be regarded as fantasy, folklore or even sci-fi (if science can successfully deceive us into believing).

  • Profile picture of gooseberry gooseberry (@gooseberry) said 3 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

    Oooops. My 1st comment didn’t get posted. Can’t type that long again till tomorrow. @Tola, I think all are specially 2, and 5 except 7. That one makes the critic and writer share something in common. Both idiots.

  • Profile picture of gooseberry gooseberry (@gooseberry) said 3 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

    Oooops. My 1st comment didn’t get posted. Can’t type that long again till tomorrow. @Tola, I think all are specially 2, and 5 except 7. That one makes the critic and writer share something in common. Both idiots.

  • Profile picture of gooseberry gooseberry (@gooseberry) said 3 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

    Oooops. My 1st comment didn’t get posted. Can’t type that long again till tomorrow. @Tola, I think all are specially 2, and 5 except 7. That one makes the critic and writer share something in common. Both idiots.

  • Profile picture of Raymond Raymond (@raymond) said 3 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

    Criticism…again.
    Well…

    Criticism is relative. People like @petunia007 like to look at typos and all, but I prefer to criticize content of the work. Yes, writers should have their own unique ‘voice’ or style, but what annoys me is when someone posts drivel, and calls it style. That is an abuse of literary license. These are the people that will cut ya throat when U criticize their work.

    So…for me, all go work too, depending on the level of proficiency shown in the work.

  • Profile picture of Seun-Odukoya Seun-Odukoya (@Seun-Odukoya) said 3 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

    Yup yup.

    I sabi small. Shey?

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