Knowledge And Religion

Knowledge And Religion

We live in a world where people kill each other every day over whose definition of God is correct” -Darn Brown

 

For you to have opened an account with here you should know the definition of knowledge, so I will go straight to the point. But before I do that let me bring this to your attention.

Do you think it is wise to question God?

 I know most of you will say no, but asking questions and answering them is the essence of knowledge. The bible made it clear that knowledge came as a result of disobedience to God. So logically speaking, when you disobey God you gain knowledge, when you obey him you don’t. Taking this into account I could deduce two possibilities, either he did not want us to gain knowledge or being an all knowing God he wants us to. But if he wants us to, why would the bible place it in such a bad light, why would it place ignorance above knowledge. One thing is certain, in other to know who we are, why we exist and where we are going we need knowledge, trying to deny us that opportunity will be an injustice to mankind. Having knowledge of your surrounding contributes a lot to how you treat them.

Peace, peace, peace, they preach, why would we want peace the answer is simple they say, “God is a peaceful God and that it is inherent in man to want peace” and yet there was war in heaven, what a confusion.  All this makes me question the inception of religion. My assertion is that, everything religion stands for and brings is conflict, because only when there is conflict are we able to know that something like God exists and this confirms the existence of one powerful political being who does not want you knowledgeable, thereby subjecting you to his/her total control. In the bible the ignorant ones, normally Israelites and Persians, are always used to wipe out the sophisticated Babylonians and Egyptians and it still continues today. In most developed countries the adoption of secularism has reduced conflict drastically to its minimal level, to be able to achieve that they try to gain knowledge by blotting out religion. Having knowledge of what we are and why we exist is a void religion can never fill that is why this country is filled with two faced religious practitioners.

When confronted with this question: WHAT AM I? The first thing that comes to mind is, “I am a human being“. But that is not the case as we all are human beings. No matter how close we may look alike, we are different from each other which confirm that there is a purpose for you being created. Knowing that purpose, places you in a better position to understand how to deal with others. If we are the creator’s image then I safely presume that if we are to know that purpose, we have to understand who and what God is and believe me nobody does. His premonition might be the non existence of the gap between him and his subjects if we do. In this world all we care about is money and power. Those who become enlightened sooner take advantage of those still left in the dark in every perspective. If the creator is fair and just as we are being told everyday then he should be able to understand that asking questions is not meant to be a challenge to his personality but a quest we had to take in other to understand our personality. Why should my fellow human being tell me it is unwise to ask questions about God? We are only being led astray by those who claim to know God which I confidently put it to them that they don’t. To me it is the worst sin a person can commit.

Why is religion not one body? The moment you start pondering on this question you will begin to doubt if it was ever intended for the peaceful coexistence of mankind. I am not saying this to make you have doubt about your believe but encouraging people to seek knowledge outside the umbrella of religion only then will you be able see the world as it was meant to be.



12 thoughts on “Knowledge And Religion” by ablyguy (@francis)

  1. I agree…but then I don’t.
    The bible advices us to ‘find out/question authority…and hold on to that which is true. How can you serve what you don’t know? And how would you know if you don’t ask?

    Slugging away tho…the truth is out there.

    Nice one.

    1. @seun tanks, i dont think the dogmas have provided substantial truth.

  2. Nice piece…………but then I don’t agree with your article all.

    When I first read the title; Knowledge And Religion, I was expecting to read the relationship between knowledge and religions of the world but what you did was a comparison between knowledge and religion (especially targeting Christianity) hence your article was more like an attack and lacked objectivity to me hence I’ll write this reply as a defense of religion

    The first flaw in your argument was comparing knowledge against religion. By doing this you set up a false binary and in essence equated religion to ignorance.

    Secondly, while inviting people to ask questions, you paint religion as a restriction to answers. Isn’t religion essentially trying to know who God is – asking questions about God? but you assert that no one could possibly know God and hence you invite people to seek answers outside religion.
    If you say that all who claim to know God are liars, and no one could possible know God, what makes you so sure? wouldn’t you be committing the same sin with your statement?

    Thirdly, religions are so many and so diverse that it is very difficult to chunk them all together and define them as anti-knowledge

    Fourthly, You said that “everything religion stands for and brings is conflict”. now that’s clearly a false statement there, again you generalize all religions wrongfully.
    Wars are often always politically motivated, should it then follow that “everything politics stands for and brings is conflict”

    Lastly, I think it is dishonest to write propaganda in an objective tone but all the same I am quite impressed by your rhetoric.

    1. Festus.

      You know why I respect you (I don’t ‘like’ you tho…lol…)? It’s your objectivity when arguing. I like the way you spotted the holes/flaws in his argument and brought them to the fore.

      Nice one.

      Thumbs.

    2. @festus, sorry for the disappointment. Not to bust your bubbles sir, first I am a christain and only stated what I observed, therefore objectivity stands.
      my argument is based on that of which I am conversant with, but I implore you to seek others and you will see the similarities.
      secondly before the renaissance you witnessed the state of the world, it was filled with oblivion, until great minds took the bold step to enlightenment hence a proof to my relating religion to ignorance.

      thirdly religion is not essentially about trying to know who God is, because none ever gave a satisfying description of who God is, its mainly about guidelines on how to live your life. And for my statement that those who claim to know God are liars, and no one could possible know God was based on the fact that that they are humans like me, since i dont know who God is, they don’t.

      fourthly before religion amassed to this, they began as a few, why were they broken down further.
      lastly you don’t think religion is being used as a political tool.

      1. @ablyguy, like Myne said, the topic would have been more appropriate if it was Knowledge and Christianity, religions are very different and what is encouraged in one is condemned in another. The only unifying factor is the worship of a deity/deities

        The fact that you are writing your observations is the more reason why the article is not objective. You are writing from your point of view hence it is subject to your experience and understanding.

        Talking about the renaissance, Religion was a strong part of society before the dark ages, during the dark ages, and during the renaissance. the enlightenment you are talking about was not a stepping away from religion as most of the inventors of that time were actually very religious.

        When you say “religion is not essentially about trying to know who God is, because none ever gave a satisfying description of who God is, its mainly about guidelines on how to live your life.” what you are really describing is dogma and not religion (dogma and religion are not exactly the same thing)

        Again you say that “those who claim to know God are liars” how could you be so sure? Your reason that they are humans like you is not valid because by saying that, you are also making a dogmatic claim that no human can ever know God hence nobody is more knowledgeable than you are.

        I agree that religion is being used as a political tool but so is almost everything else ranging from family/tribal affinity to the press/media and more even formal education is not spared, virtually anything that helps with influence is being used as a political tool.

        @Seun, Lol thanks, it comes with practice (I argue a lot, I should be ashamed of myself)
        Also thanks for not ‘liking’ me…………I would have been worried if you did. lol

        1. @festus, u re really good at this, i hope you ain’t a lawyer.

          yes i agree with Myne on the topic, but there is a reason for that best known to me, worship is not the only unifying factor, religions are similar in the sense that all religion promise salvation but has different ways of attaining it, the practitioners believe in s/th and of course worship. i used mine so as to avoid any religious prejudice.

          by enlightement i mean stepping beyond the wall of limit erected on the mind of religious practitioners, as you said “they were very religious” but later became atheists

          when i said they are humans like me, i dont mean i am more knowledgeable than them but that God cant be seen by humans and as
          such they can’t describe who they can’t see.

          To attain the salvation promised by religion, you are expected to meet certain expectations and that includes how to live your life, with that you can see the relationship between dogma and religion.

          When people of disparate believes come together, there is bound to be conflict.

          1. I think we may be coming to the point where our debate would oscillate back and forth because each person will try to hold out his own however, I will try one last time to reason with you. As best as I can, I will give an answer to your statements one by one if you don’t mind.

            1. You said: “…….worship is not the only unifying factor, religions are similar in the sense that ALL RELIGIONS PROMISE SALVATION but has different ways of attaining it, the practitioners believe in s/th and of course worship……….”

            [not all religions promise salvation, ancient Greco-Roman polytheism did not as well as many indigenous African religions didn’t believe in salvation though they believed in an afterlife]

            2. You said: “by enlightement i mean stepping beyond the wall of limit erected on the mind of religious practitioners, as you said “they were very religious” BUT LATER BECAME ATHEISTS”

            [clearly, you have not done your research properly if you have done any at all. The period of the renaissance was heavily influenced by Christianity in fact that was the era during which Gutenberg invented the printing press and the bible began to be mass produced and eventually translated to English (King James Version), the most notable artwork of the time had Christian themes created by artists like, Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo, The scientists of the time included Galileo, Newton, Rene Descartes, other notable people of that era include Dante Alighieri and Martin Luther and none of these men were known as atheists. I would really like for you to mention a few of these ‘great minds’ (whatever that means) who later became atheists]

            3. You said: “when i said they are humans like me, i dont mean i am more knowledgeable than them but that God cant be seen by humans and as
            such THEY CAN’T DESCRIBE WHO THEY CAN’T SEE.”

            [again another invalid statement, the fact that something is not seen doesn’t mean it can’t be described. People have always described phenomena that they cannot see for instance how do we describe Love or Gravity or Electricity or Hope etc? I dare say that we describe them by their effects, same with God, we describe Him by His effects in our lives hence our relationship with Him and our knowledge of Him]

            4. You said: “To attain the salvation promised by religion, you are expected to meet certain expectations and that includes how to live your life, with that you can see the relationship between dogma and religion.”

            [as for dogma, religion does not equal dogma, there is organizational dogma where one is expected to behave in a certain way if he is a member of the organization, nationalist/political dogma: behaviour expected of a nation’s citizens, I could even go as far as including family dogma.
            Now coming to Christianity, salvation is a gift of God’s grace and it is not earned by a person’s actions/heroics all you need is belief in God and accepting His son Jesus Christ and everything else will fall in place (I would invite you to study Romans chapter 4 verse from verse 1 to verse 8)

            5. You said: “When people of disparate believes come together, there is bound to be conflict.”

            [I partly agree with you on this but then people of different beliefs can also live together peacefully, religion is not the only thing that brings conflict you know, skin colour, language, nationality, political leanings etc virtually anything that makes us different can become a cause for war but then again it is our diversity that makes us beautiful]

            So my friend, the problem is not religion/christianity, the problem is ignorance……….and they are not the same thing.

            P/S I ain’t no lawyer, am just a regular bloke ……LOL

            1. I think I will honour your first statement but that doesn’t mean I chickened out. I retract my statement that they became atheists, but most of them lost faith in the church and cryptically ridiculed the church’s ideas about God in their paintings.

              Yes the problem has always been ignorance but my point is that religion encourages ignorance.

              Thank God you aren’t, so my sister won’t have to meet you as her foe. LOL

  3. I’ll leave this one for those interested. You could have said though, knowledge and christianity.

  4. Your. Logic and deductions ά̲̣яε so flawed. I don’t even know where to begin. You didn’t do justice to your side of the coin at all. I could have argued your point better. But…
    First, questioning God is no big deal. People do it everyday, and they get answers.
    When man disobeyed God in the beginning, innocence died. God didn’t want man to have knowledge of Good and evil because man would then be faced with the choice of doing either good or bad. And like God foresaw, man wouldn’t always choose the good. Knowledge of the good and choosing to do the good ά̲̣яε two different things. What good has that knowledge profited man? Do u still think God wasn’t right by trying to keep that knowledge to himself? Do u still think keeping man’s innocence was an injustice to mankind? Think again. Yes, to know who you ά̲̣яε, and why you exist, you need to ask your creator. He has your manual. But if you think you evolved from fishes and all that rubbish, then ask the fishes. Did God ever tell you that you challenge him when you ask him questions? You were meant to ask questions. Man was never meant to be independent, that is the fact. And no man really is. And who told you that no one knows God? People do, but only in parts. Man cannot completely no God because of the brevity of human life and finitude of human reason.
    Man doesn’t want peace only because God is peaceful, like you said. It is simply wisdom to know that to survive, you have to co exist in peace. Man tried wars and strife and saw the result. They became wiser. In the Hobbesian state of nature life was short, brutish and nasty. A life of strive and survival of the fittest. Man is no longer in a state of nature. Laws exist to keep the peace.
    Stupidity of man is infinite, it is that stupidity that brings conflict even into religion. Religion in itself has nothing to do with conflict. Let’s define religion here as Mankind’s search for God. What conflict is your search for God supposed to bring? Philosophy started from religion, and do you know the definition of philosophy? The dark ages were dark because religion was dead. The enlightenment saw an upsurge of both reason and faith.
    Your premise of War in heaven is from Bible, which you seem to be against, or were you one of the warriors during the war?
    Karl Marx wrote that religion is an opium of the masses. That the rich use it to subdue the masses, you seem to agree with this view, but at the same time you still claim that religion causes conflicts. If people ά̲̣яε subdued, do they fight?

    If you diligently search for God, you will find him. Then you can question him yourself. Stop relying on what your fellow man tells you. Give your life the meaning you want it to have. You ά̲̣яε running out of time.

    1. @kaycee thanks for your contribution but i quite disagree with you on certain issues.

      You have to know what good is, before you choose to do good. According to you “to know” wasn’t the intention of the creator. how would you know if what you are doing is good or bad, when you dont know anything about them at all. I still think it will be an injustice to mankind if we dont know.

      You can’t define religion as mankind search for God, that will mean twisting it for the benefit of your argument. Religion entails what you believe in and different religions has different beliefs. when people of different beliefs come together, there is bound to be conflict.

      That you know s/th in parts doesn’t mean you know a thing about it, instead it sets up a biased generalization of what it looks like.

      In as much as you try to diverge from my point of view, our arguments seems to converge to the same point.
      You said ” Man cannot completely know God because of the brevity of human life and finitude of human reason.” Summarily man can’t know God. which is the premise of my argument that we are being led astray.

      I disagree with you that philosophy started from religion. philosophy is as old as Mankind, before religion man already had thoughts.

      lastly I think I have plenty of time.

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